Saturday, April 23, 2011

Does Everyone Utilize Faith?

Hey everyone! I am going to put a series of posts from a cool conversation I got to have with someone in an evolution forum on facebook. Unfortuneatly before I could save his ends of the conversation, he deleted his posts. He was a pretty abrasive guy, but he ended up being quite kind in the end. Hopefully you can imagine some of the things he was objecting to based on my posts. I wanted to post this because I feel it is an important topic for someone to grapple with that doesn't think they utilize faith at all. This will be the first of 5 posts. I hope this is a blessing to someone out there.

Post # 1:
Given there are supposedly "no absolutes" in life, could it be that science has evolved? It takes faith to believe that the same foundations that we call science today, were the same foundations used millions and billions of years ago. How do we know we are getting correct information when we extrapolate backwards? We are assuming that it was the same, no? Because I have to use the word "assume", suggests the presence of faith. I propose this because I have been asked to prove God, and to show people He exists. My respectful counter question would be this, could you prove to me that the same science used to measure today, was the same science used billions of years ago? I know this sounds ridiculous, but I feel it is a fair question in light of questions asked of us (Christians) even though I don't believe my question to be fair in nature as the opposing question is not fair either.

The only goal of this post is to get people to see that faith is required for everything whether YOU BELIEVE it’s 10%, 5%, 90%, etc. That’s why we as a finite people are dependent on revelation. You as a human being can only go so far until you start having faith in the methods by which you drew your conclusions and then placing faith in what seems the results has to be. You can never say evolution is fact because the science we use today could be an evolved science that is totally throwing us off. Why? Because you and I weren't there. So in the end, people CHOOSE what they want to believe based upon the PROBABILITY of those things being accurate. But again, I am using the word probability, which everyone has to use, and it would take faith to believe in the probability of something, because probability is not certainty. Atheist and believer alike utilize faith in both of their practice (not saying everyone on here is an athiest, just appears most are that place their faith in evolution).

I just do not understand why the people that believe in evolution do not see that if they go that route, they have to assume science as we know it is an evolved science, you can't apply it to some things and not to others. And if our foundations for measurement have evolved, that means conclusions are so far off base that all the theory of evolution is an "intellectual illusion" designed only to give ego gratification to people that can talk about it.

My goal is not to offend but for us all to think, even though naturally this post will push buttons, but I cannot relay the point if I am not honest with what I have observed. If you are a person who believes in evolution, you have to believe the foundations for scientific measurements are the same today as they were millions of years ago, which suggests science to some people is a perfect entity, without evolutionary blemish. All that has happened is a "god" has been substituted. The Bible teaches of an all-knowing, all powerful "measurement" i.e. God, so what's the difference between a "perfect, all-knowing concept" vs the belief in a perfect, all-knowing entity? So make no mistake, belief in the theory of evolution takes just as much faith as anything else. Again, you may feel it is 1/2 of a percent, but to say it takes none is a frivolous thing to say because we were not there.

And remember, I am not saying I believe science has evolved, because I do not place my faith in evolutionary concepts, but to those that do you have to consider what is proposed here because the very nature of evolution suggests CHANGE. I just proposed the question to get the people that say it is fact to re-think what a fact really is...at the end of the day it takes faith. Given they both take faith, I am choosing a God revealed in scripture that loves me and has adequate probability of existing. And once I appropriated that (genuinely, not religiously) I have seen spiritual things that would blow your mind. The awesome thing about God is, when you begin to set your heart to truly understand, He will draw close to you and you will find Him. But there is a peculiar verse in scripture that says "He resists the prideful, but gives grace to the humble". That word resist means: "to stand against; to oppose". Once people have elevated their logic over God's revelation it is almost as if they will see what they want to see and nothing will be done to deter them. Don't be that person! At least open your heart to the possibility of a God that loves you and has a plan, because you have a god anyways, it is just very impersonal..its called "the perfect, never changing foundations for measurement entitled 'science as we know it'" (again, this is geared towards atheists, I understand there are groups of people that believe in both God and evolutionary concepts although it seems a bit incompatible)

If this has offended I apologize, but at least consider what was said, we do not have all the answers, we are dependent on revelation! I have faith, can anyone here admit they do too?

Sincerely,
Chris Goff