Monday, October 5, 2009

Free Will?

"For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth." Romans 9:17&18

"But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said." Exodus 8:15

"And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go" Exodus 8:32

"And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses." Exodus 9:12

"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:" Romans 1:24

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

"And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance" 2 Peter 1:5-13


"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion". Some verses make it appear that God chooses every outcome, even our choices about right and wrong. I believe this is true to a point, in light of scriptures such as the one at the beginning of this paragraph (read the devotional entitled "Predestination" to understand a bit more of the position I have taken on this). But make no mistake, we are to take the scripture as a whole. I have heard people say that God wouldn't be sovereign if He didn't choose everything, so it just appears we have a free will but we really don't. I feel they are blending two different schools of thought into one that make this topic very muddled, so much to the point that they get relaxed with their sin. I say this because I have seen what this belief does to people, it causes an upset in their pursuit of holiness. I was recently told about a guy that has a leadership role in a ministry that does not believe we have a free will and is looking at pornographic material on the internet. It is one thing to struggle with a sin, it is far another thing to give yourself heartily to it and have a theological argument to back it up. Wouldn't that be convenient? "God choose anyways and He knew I would come to Christ and I would still sin". It is something subtle that can end up crippling us spiritually if we do not have a proper grasp as to how all of this works. Did Pharaoh have a choice? Does anyone have a choice? Let's break these scriptures down.

I think one thing we must understand is that God allows us to be aware of His sovereignty through His foreknowledge in predestining people but some of us have taken it a step farther and have believed because He chose the over-all route for things He must have controlled our wills as well. So let's look at what Paul said. Paul mentions that God hardened Pharaohs heart. Now it is interesting to note that Genesis says Pharaoh hardened his own heart. Why wouldn't Paul make mention of this? I think he didn't because he wasn't debating this issue of free will. Because Paul knew the scriptures even better than we do, right? So for this piece of information to escape Paul is a little astounding IF he were merely arguing for man's choice. What I believe Paul is illustrating is that God makes decisions through His foreknowledge BASED upon HIS FORESIGHT OF THE CHOICES WE WOULD MAKE! God places us before the foundations of the world but we are the ones who have to acted out in REAL TIME! "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" Now note this verse isn't saying make sure you "prayed the prayer" and then once you have confirmed that you have "prayed the prayer" you have now made His calling and election sure. That doesn't take alot of DILIGENCE, the very word Peter has chose to illustrate this point. The Apostles had an understanding of the reaping and sowing principle so much that they believed this is how one endured to the end by "SOWING INTO THE SPIRIT TO REAP ETERNAL LIFE!" Now some of you may think I have jumped off topic but I have not, I am using this to illustrate your CHOICE to MAKE YOUR CALLING AND ELECTION SURE UNTIL YOU SEE JESUS IN HIS GLORY! Anything less than this is not standing firm until the end which WAS NOT GOD'S CHOICE FOR YOU! How do we know this though?

Ok, so back to Pharaoh, Paul and Genesis say that God hardened Pharaohs heart, but in Genesis before it says God hardened Pharaohs heart it says Pharaohs hardened his own heart. Ok so now what, is the scripture contradicting itself? NO WAY! Look in Romans 1 and 2 Thessalonians 2. It suggests a person can CHOOSE UNRIGHTEOUSNESS SO MUCH THAT GOD ENDS UP FINISHING THE JOB! This should not be foreign to us. Just as God has chosen our current active repentant faith in Christ to be the means by which He completes us for our good, so the inverse happens as well. Think about it, you respond in obedience and you reap knowing God better.(remember the law...sow to the spirit to reap eternal life...sow to the flesh and reap corruption) Respond in disobedience and reap corruption. WHATSOEVER A MAN SOWS THIS WILL HE ALSO REAP. Or it could read this way, "Whatever a man CHOOSES to do, whether good or bad, is what he will get back spiritually".

So what is the answer Chris? Do you choose or does God choose? The answer in my estimation is clearly both. FOR WHOM HE FOREKNEW HE ALSO PREDESTINED! What is that foreknowledge about? Has to be about seeing what we would choose to base His decision on the where, when, and how. In my mind, if we had no say so in our matter the scripture would merely read, "He predestined." Why put the word foreknew in there? He was evaluating what we would decide if we were offered His grace. Also, look at Romans 1 and 2 Thessalonians 2. "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the LUSTS OF THEIR OWN HEARTS, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:" Romans 1:24 Now does that say the "LUST OF GOD'S HEART?" NO! YOUR HEART! Now look at 2 Thessalonians 2, "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" What does it say? THEY CHOOSE NOT TO RECEIVE WHEN PRSENTED, and because of the reaping and sowing principle we will always have a cause and effect. In this case the cause is written like this, "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" WE NEED TO GRASP THIS REAPING AND SOWING PRINCIPLE! It is really the foundation for everything!

Now some of you may still be locked into the mindset that God cannot be sovereign if He didn't choose everything for us, even to the point of us being unrighteous but follow me really quick. I was talking with a believer on the phone once who was telling me a pastor (whom I respect greatly) made the comment that God could not be sovereign if we had a choice in anything. This statement has never sat well with me as I had heard it before in some variations. What came to me next to respond to this person blew me away as I had never even thought about it before (which told me it was God answering for both me and this brother). Wouldn't ultimate sovereignty be giving us a free choice and STILL being so brilliant as to accomplishing things the way He wanted? I mean come on, would you be more impressed if I bossed you around to accomplish my will, or I was able to manipulate things in such a way that I made you CHOOSE what I set out to accomplish anyways. You had your choice, I just knew what you would choose, which makes God the ultimate "chess" player of the universe. I don't know about you, but that old argument that says God is not sovereign if He doesn't make every decision for us, whether for the good or for the bad, pails in comparison to giving us a free choice and still being MAGNIFICENT ENOUGH TO ACCOMPLISH HIS WILL! What a mighty and amazing God! So what's the official answer in a nut shell? It's both! God will finish the job either way YOU CHOOSE TO GO, whether to the righteous side or the unrighteous side! Thats why we must be a people who constantly sow into the Spirit! This way we are bound to make our calling and election certain! Because be not deceived, God is not mocked, whatsoever a man (or woman) sows, this will he also reap! You have a choice to make! GIVE INTO THE SIN OR NOT GIVE IN and make no mistake, if you are running headlong into wickedness it was not God's desire for you, but He is also not mocked. Remember the scripture says "He resists the proud, but gives grace unto the humble." Humility is obedience, obedience is to cease from sin, ceasing from sin gives you even more power to stop the things you always thought you were bound to! But, He resists the PRIDEFUL! ALL SIN IS PRIDE! You are telling God with your actions "Other people may need to do that but not me." PRIDE PRIDE PRIDE! The Bible says if we are PRIDEFUL He will RESIST US. That word resist means "TO STAND AGAINST; TO OPPOSE." I don't know about all of you but I do not want the God of the universe opposing me! Let's stay connected to the vine! Let's reap ETERNAL LIFE!

Lord continue to reveal your truth to us! Thank you giving Your Spirit to us for revelation and guidance! I pray for everyone who will read this that it will prove profitable for them, grant all of us repentance I pray!

Thanks brothers, and sisters!
Sincerely,
Chris Goff

8 comments:

  1. Acts 17:26 (New International Version)
    26From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.

    How does this scripture work into the Free Will discussion?

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  2. Hey Anonymous!
    Thank you for your post! This is a valid concern that needs adequate interpretation. First off all I hope I do not come across as a know-it-all, as I do not know everything! I feel the opinion that will be expressed is backed up by scripture.

    We all have foundational beliefs, no? From those beliefs comes our pivot point by which we explain things. So with all of this said, I have a strong opinion on predestination that will fuel my interpretation of the verse you have presented (See "Predestination" devotional).

    My first pivotal truth I use in explaining this is, it is either God's will that some perish or none perish. But lo and behold we have a verse that clears that up in 2 Peter 3:9 which states, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." So this is pivot verse number one. Now I can tend to interpret other scripture around this rock solid truth.

    Now it is also important to mention that the Word of God says in Romans 8:29, "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." Now notice it doesn't merely say, "He predestined" which would seem appropriate if He did choose everything without consideration to our choice in response to Him. How I read that is this way, "For whom He foreknew would choose Him if He responded to them, He went ahead and predestined EVERYTHING." continued in next post...

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  3. So now to the verse at hand which states, "From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live." Now remember the verse in Romans 8:29 clearly states that God did predestine, but I think we confuse God predestining where people live and at what point in time they live in with choosing even down to the moral issue. I believe God has a predetermined way the world is to go in light of man's disobedience. Now we have a choice to make, the jobs God has will get done, where our choice comes in is in this 'Will you respond to God's desire for you to fulfill that?' If not, He will go to someone else until it is accomplished, and make no mistake a person who rejects Him will still be used just not unto a noble purpose or a rewarded one (i.e. Pharaoh).

    So whether I view this in a tainted fashion or not (I hope that isn't true!) I will sum up that verse in a doctrinal statement using the other verses we have stated; because remember, we must use scripture to interpret scripture and we both know scripture does not contradict itself. I am going to blend in scriptural truths just to display this, do not fret for me, I am not writing another Bible ;).

    From one man (whom God predestined based upon His foreknowledge of that man's response to Him) He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole Earth; and He determined the times set for them(based upon His foreknowledge of their choices) and the exact places where they should live (based upon His foreknowledge of their choice to accomplish His purpose whether we choose to the good or to the bad). Now does God know what we will choose? Of course and we are structured around that but we have a choice in the now or reaping and sowing wouldn't mean anything, it would all be smoke and mirrors. I believe very litterally what Peter sais in that we can make our calling and election sure by continually sowing into the Spirit, and if you are a person who does this congratulations! You are blessed beyond measure in that God has set you up for salvation. If you are not a person who does not "Walk in the light as He is in the light, then the blood of Jesus does not cleanse us, not that it is powerless to do so but because we are not appropriating right.

    So with all of the above said you have 2 different types of people. One's who take the road of relaxation that says, "God choose anyways, what can I do?" and then the ones that take other scriptures to heart as well that says, "Whoa, my God is a God to be feared, I am going to set myself up in such a way that I make my calling and election certain." continued on next post...

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  4. Here is a questionaire I believe the Lord gave me to explain this better to people, as well as myself.

    1) Do you believe God is forcing you to obey Him? (my answer is no)

    2) So you choose to obey Him correct? (my answer is yes)

    3) Do you believe God is forcing you to sin? (I hope the answer is no in light of the verse that says, Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:"

    4) We all agree that it was His choice of me I was responding to correct? (yes)

    5) So could it be that God, knowing someone would respond to Him, still chose not to choose that person if He went to them? (I answered no as it was a violation of the verse it is not His will that any perish but that all come to eternal life, and the author of Hebrews says it is impossible for God to lie)

    Maybe I have over-simplified (pray that I haven't) but this is the only stance I could find that allows for the scriptures to flow harmoniously.

    Anyways, thanks again for your concern! I hope I have answered it adequately enough. Also, I apologize for any grammatical errors as I need to go meet someone for lunch and will not be checking it! TH

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  5. If you could, write back to let me know you have received this! It is good to discuss this kind of stuff.

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  6. I believe that the question of free will is the most perplexing question we can ask. The reason this is such a difficult question to answer, is because of the individual relationship with God that we have. God deals with each of us as individuals; my biblical example of this is found in the book of Jonah… (We all know the story, so I will just cite key words.)
    Jonah 1:12 "Pick me up and throw me into the sea," he replied, "and it will become calm. I know that it is my fault that this great storm has come upon you." Jonah knew that it was the decision he made, to run away from the Lord and head to Tarshish that was the cause for this storm. Here we find that Jonah exercised his choice, or free will. We know how this story ends, God changed Jonah’s mind through certain events, in which God displayed His total control of all things. God controlled the casting of the lots, the storm, and the whale. So do we have free will to do as we want, yes! Does God work His plan despite what we choose, yes! Praise God! We must remember He is the beginning and the end. I like to explain it like this… Like a grand puzzle, He has chosen the pieces and worked them to His will through the ages. I posted the earlier response as anonymous.

    In Christ’s Love,
    Kenny Garrett

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  7. Excellently stated Kenny! I agree with all of the above. I firmly believe ultimate sovereignty is God giving us a choice and still accomplishing His will.
    There is actually a verse that was a thorn in the positioning I took that I believe God is allowing me to resolve. I take the position I have because of scripture as a whole. But there is a verse in Matthew that seemingly collapsed the position but I believe God gave me a thought today that may explain it harmoniously with my premise on predestination and free will. If you are interested in hearing about it let me know as it is already 2:30 am and would be a chore at this hour to explain. Thanks for reading Kenny! Keep the questions/comments coming!
    Sincerely,
    Chris Goff

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